tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-163514158748049548.post7449655474483120759..comments2024-02-28T16:57:47.055+00:00Comments on Diary of a Donkeybody: Love unknownMichael Wenhamhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04756324780596609238noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-163514158748049548.post-28583009424877330752014-04-19T17:58:35.876+01:002014-04-19T17:58:35.876+01:00http://www.thetablet.co.uk/columnists/3/2101/-by-a...http://www.thetablet.co.uk/columnists/3/2101/-by-any-definition-of-catholic-social-teaching-this-is-a-shameful-and-immoral-cut-<br />Dear Michael<br />Not sure if you'll be able to access this link. Tried to copy it's content but it's too long.<br />http://dpac.uk.net/tag/mary-laver/<br />This is what's it's about. I wondered whether you could highlight it somehow?<br />Many thanks<br />Ann<br /><br /><br />leafyschroderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13473642621804634929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-163514158748049548.post-44151666500437407232014-04-19T12:19:03.530+01:002014-04-19T12:19:03.530+01:00Amen, Ann. Holy Saturday is a good time for quiet ...Amen, Ann. Holy Saturday is a good time for quiet reflection, as we wait for the Light to arise and shine on the confused dark world. Happy Easter, Ann.Michael Wenhamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18111619560360378627noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-163514158748049548.post-18234786555111147122014-04-19T12:12:35.865+01:002014-04-19T12:12:35.865+01:00Vicky has produced the first of her follow-up blog...Vicky has produced the first of her follow-up blogs on the subject. It's a good start, pleading for empathy and 1 Corinthians 13 love. Happy Easter, Rob.<br />Michael Wenhamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18111619560360378627noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-163514158748049548.post-27657123700244210902014-04-18T13:10:25.620+01:002014-04-18T13:10:25.620+01:00Justin Welby needs all the wisdom and strength God...Justin Welby needs all the wisdom and strength God can impart as he is an impossibly difficult position.<br />Whilst I would never agree with same sex marriage, neither would I condemn those who feel it right. We each have an individual conscience for which we will be answerable.<br />I just know that I would never cease to love any child of mine who chose this way of life.<br />I would not want to enter into any argument or justification. In some ways I feel that Facebook and Twitter cause a great deal of hurt to people ( from what I read of them. I do not use either)<br />In this Holy Week/Easter Season may we all be blessed with His love.leafyschroderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13473642621804634929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-163514158748049548.post-16735961984313802312014-04-18T11:24:42.543+01:002014-04-18T11:24:42.543+01:00Hi Michael,
It's surprising how you can be inf...Hi Michael,<br />It's surprising how you can be influenced by traditional values and thought. <br /><br />With eyes open fairly wide I went along to a day conference led by Adrian Thatcher, based in Portsmouth, recently addressing the subject of "From exclusion to inclusion - Marriage for all". As the day progressed I found myself agreeing more with the over-riding acceptance of GLM/P in society, having gone along with very fixed views on how such relationships might affect children. <br /><br />We live in a changing society when traditional values of marriage, in my opinion and the opinion of many others will eventually change too. As Adrian pointed out at one point there are far worse settings that many young children are exposed to, and I did acknowledge that any kind of loving relationship is what children need and look for in parents.<br /><br />I had originally intended to draw my thoughts together after the conference and put an article together for our church magazine, however I did not think at the time that it would be looked at by our somewhat conservative congregation with positive understanding - maybe I am wrong!<br /><br />Perhaps having had some time for reflection I should put pen to paper and see what interest it might generate. It would not be the first time I have addressed potentially contentious subjects in the magazine.<br /><br />The conference incidentally was organised by the Centre for Radical Christianity which is based at St. Mark's in Sheffield. Robsheffieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11644949287184520419noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-163514158748049548.post-67179638053877405062014-04-17T14:27:06.815+01:002014-04-17T14:27:06.815+01:00Hi Paul
Thank you for your warning. I hope you'...Hi Paul<br />Thank you for your warning. I hope you'll understand if I don't launch into a dialogue in the next few days - when I guess we'd all like to be focusing on the events of Holy Week. But I suspect I'll be returning to the subject - not that I expect to change your mind! Blessings, peace and joy to you and Adele this Easter. Christ is risen!Michael Wenhamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18111619560360378627noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-163514158748049548.post-64043961050285097732014-04-16T18:46:43.089+01:002014-04-16T18:46:43.089+01:00A few reflections:
1) Those Christians who are ok...A few reflections:<br /><br />1) Those Christians who are ok with same-sex activity (and therefore romantic relationships) are going against the historic position of the Church. This much is undeniable. That doesn't necessarily mean they're wrong but a) it does put the burden of proof on them, b) it means they should be exceedingly patient with the rest of us (which has certainly not been the case in some quarters).<br /><br />2) These are big issues. If my (traditional) understanding of the Bible is right, this is a behaviour that can lead the unrepentant to hell. It's all good complaining about how people with same sex attraction feel excluded. But if I'm right, the liberal Christians are causing 'gay Christians' to stumble to eternal damnation. That is very serious. I know at least 5 people whom I love in this situation. This is not just theoretical for me.<br /><br />3. Given the novelty of the liberal view (point 1) and the seriousness of the issue (point 2), it is perfectly reasonable for 'traditional' Christians to view the likes of Chalke and Beeching as false teachers to be opposed. Chalke made that clear some time ago with his comments on the atonement.<br /><br />4. I am yet to read a remotely persuasive argument that same-sex activity is not sinful (like your friend above). Furthermore, I have no wish to spend money on books providing ( what I see to be) wickedness. So if I'm to be persuaded, the new kids on the block have got to do the work and make their arguments available for free.Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06846458475646782293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-163514158748049548.post-14760559343662039642014-04-16T17:54:59.188+01:002014-04-16T17:54:59.188+01:00I totally agree on that one! In this week when we ...I totally agree on that one! In this week when we meditate on Jesus washing his disciples' feet, and saying, "Love one another even as I have loved you" and, "Take, eat, this is my body given for you," to friends who would shortly desert, deny and betray him, how can we do otherwise? Then he hangs on the cross and says, "Father, forgive them." I reckon the church from Paul and Peter onwards have had their disagreements and yet above all have put on love. We need the Holy Spirit for that. Michael Wenhamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18111619560360378627noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-163514158748049548.post-1314250112014458012014-04-16T17:12:20.322+01:002014-04-16T17:12:20.322+01:00I think it's essential that our church disagre...I think it's essential that our church disagrees in a loving spirit. We'll never agree, on this or on other vexed issues ... but we are responsible for how we disagree. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com